JD Vance on Faith, Deportations, Trump’s Clash With the Courts | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Vice President JD Vance discusses the Trump administration’s deportations, the tariff backlash, and how his faith influences his politics on this episode of Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. Read the full transcript here https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/21/op... 01:55 How faith shapes JD Vance’s politics 04:35 ‘Papal interventions in politics’ 15:17 How will the Trump administration measure success on immigration? 22:11 ‘The courts are trying to overturn the will of the American people’ 24:58 Are migrants really at war against the US? 29:30 The parallels between the War on Terror and Trump's deportation policies 41:38 What does a successful trade policy look like? 49:40 The "big, beautiful bill" 53:14 Does the Trump administration expect the AI revolution will take jobs? 55:11 What worries Vance about AI 59:49 JD Vance's message to shocked Trump voters This episode of “Interesting Times” was produced by Katherine Sullivan, Andrea Betanzos, Sophia Alvarez Boyd and Elisa Gutierrez. It was edited by Jordana Hochman. Mixing and engineering by Pat McCusker. Cinematography by Jonah M. Kessel and Marina King. Video editing by Jonah M. Kessel. Original music by Isaac Jones, Sonia Herrero, Aman Sahota and Pat McCusker. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Video directed by Jonah M. Kessel. The director of Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Watch more on @InterestingTimesNYT.